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It seems like you get perturbed whenever I ask you something. Many African immigrants call themselves, correctly, Nigerian Americans or Egyptian Americans and so forth though, to make a distinction between black Americans and honor their actual homeland.

I used to have a science teacher who was a white South African woman. I mean, was she wrong? Marllon is correct though. I have seen some Haitians and some second-gen African immigrants call themselves African Americans.

Technically, in his case, the term fits him perfectly. I agree with that. And I agree with mynameismyname that if you were born in Africa, it is much better to say you are Nigerian American or whatever.

Not in my opinion. What matters is the blood running through your vains. So what you are saying is that I should identify myself as an African-American although my mother speaks with an accent and my dad a completely different language all together?

I never do as a matter of fact. I am pretty sure they can tell that I am black so what was the point of asking me my background? A girlfriend of mine has an African American mother, a Guyanese father … even she does not identify as an African American.

My boyfriend was born in the states but a product of a Guyanese union. Should he call himself an African American too? Or should he be called an African Indian American?

Whites are called White, blacks in America are called African-Americans. And I must admit, Marllon … IMO you came off a little annoying, which is why I have been coming off so harshly towards you.

I apologize about that. I truly do. Let me pick a bone with you though… why do you consider yourself a black foreigner? That means you are not mixed … am I right?

As for you Abagond … LOL. That is just not normal… though it is nice. I would for sure consider Adriana Lima white. She is the same complexion as my grandmother and same feature types and my grandmother was considered white.

If you are an American with African ancestry, then you are an African American, may you be directly or indirectly Afro-descended.

I am still black despite my genetic admixture. A mixed-race identity does not exist in documents here in the U. As for Paulo Zulu, I read that I consider Paulo Zulu black, and I believe he self-identifies as black as well.

His African features look really visible on a cover he graced for Brazilian Elle. Even if just a little [FYI I am not Hispanic as all of the examples you used were Latina women… what were you trying to say?

If you can not, I will gladly help you. If this were true — that all people born in the U. What an oxymoron. I am of great African descent.

I am full black. I believe I told you that in an earlier post … no? I believe Halle Berry is going to raise her daughter as a black child. I used Latinas as examples, since you are half Latina yourself.

Clearly, not all U. Keshia Knight Pulliam is of Jamaican American background, and as everyone knows, she proudly self-identifies as an African American woman.

My point is that you said that blacks born in the U. Any black American with an immigrant background has the right to self-identify as African American if they wish to.

Hi, dcnot, yes I am. This is a mighty coincidence. Overall, I concur with everything you just said.

I believe the average Portuguese has more sub-Saharan African blood than the majority of other Southern Europeans, with southern Spaniards Andalusians being a close second, and Sicilians third.

Then with all due respect, Bill Clinton is as black as he claims to be … oh and Madonna too. Have you ever been to the Bronx?

Spanish Harlem Washington heights? And dcnot … I would respond to your post, its just that no disrespect I can barely read it.

I am sorry. Maybe it is me and not you. I do have terrible vision. Mariah Carey would have never been allowed to grace the cover of Ebony if society denied her as a black woman.

Ok, Marllon … good arguement. I totally understand where you are coming from. There comes a time when all good things must come to an end just as this good debate.

I respect your knowledge and insight. It is not what other ppl see me as, but what I see myself as. And like I said, if that were the case then all ppl born in America with African descent would be African American.

Its over guy. Your a couple of days too late man … its over. And plz, space your words out and capitalize.

Its basic. Not that hard. In practice, if you look black and grew up in America in a black neighbourhood, then it does not matter where your parents came from or what you self-identify as: most people — black, white and foreign — will see you as an African American, plain and simple.

If you look black but grew up in America in a Latino or white neighbourhood, then it might not be so simple. You will still be black, but not necessarily African American.

Ok and that is your opinion. And yes … it is late … about a week or so late. My patience ran thin about a week ago. Right: the countries of North and South America are not as white as they like to imagine — their food, their music, everything is partly black.

And those people who disagree, need to ask themselves this one question. I love em all, so you all need to stop this differentiating.

I forgot about lauryn hill, angela bassett, holly robinson peete, former whitney houston etc.. Unlike other ethnicities, all of that was taken away from us.

All we know is they were from Africa, so we embrace the entire continent instead of a particular country. Now an African born in America who knows their parents country of origin could identify as Nigerian American, Ghana American, etc.

In fact, Obama could actually identify himself as Kenyan American if he chose to. They explain it far better than I could. The way I see it, why should we deny our African ancestry just because it makes mainstream America aka white people uncomfortable when we embrace it?

All blood was red last time I checked. However, I did come across an interesting comment on youtube. The show included Chanel Iman and Noemie Lenoire among others who appear more mixed than black.

I admit I feel that comment has a ring of truth. I believe self identification is important. At the end of the day, THEY are the ones who have to live in this world in their skin.

They are no more right or wrong than Halle and Obama. When the hell did either of them identify themselves as black?

I hear it a lot and it bothers me I hear it a lot from white people as well. Self-identification, for example, only works in certain cases.

Unless, of course, I became a world-famous golfer. Then I could call myself whatever I liked and try to act like the racist comments are no big deal.

I wrote about the blackness of Madonna because when she first came on the radio people thought she was black and, as it turned out, she grew up in a black part of Pontiac, Michigan and says she feels black.

So I thought that was interesting. Some of them are already in other lists. I absolutely love Holly Robinson-Peete but keep forgetting to put her in.

I accept light skin blacks because I am light skinned but these women use there so-called blackness to appear more Brazilians.

I am the same colour as Halle, but I am not mix-race. The only reason, I have this colour is because a white slave owner raped my great great great grand mother and that nothing to shout out about we should be ashame that these vile men rape our great great great grand mothers.

If we were born year ago a white nasty ass man would have rape us with his friends. So take that in consideration when talking about ourseleves as being mix race people.

We are African people that come in different shades because in slave we had no control over our bodies the white race would do open us what they wish like gang rape remember the KKK?

All of you who are claiming that this person is black and this person in not black are wasting your time because at the end of the day we are all human.

Infact if you are the lightes person or the darkest the racist still exist so move on and contribute for a better cause.

If you feel that you are offended then post some darker sisters on the page or do your research and develope your own website.

We have bigger problems in life than color to worry about like the death and see if you can get into heaven becuase of color.

Agreed: if you think these women are not dark enough, then tell me some that are! Most women in Brazil that Americans would call black are light-skinned, especially those who are famous enough to be in the Wikipedia which this list is limited to.

In all respect, your comment above is some bullshit. Afro-Brazillians come in a variety of shades. The majority are not lightly complexioned.

Also, from knowing some Afro-Brazillians, they determine race in a similar way that North Americans do. That complicates things. My understanding is that blacks in Colombia and Brazil are lighter, in general, than those in North America.

It is mainly they mixed more with Europeans. I could be wrong, of course. I live in America and we hear so little about African women over here apart from the few who go to Europe and make it big as fashion models, like Alek and Iman.

But I did make a list of those who I think are the most beautiful Nigerian actresses — since Nollywood is something knowable even in the States:.

Well down to the person who posted this. Reading some of the comments on here just confirms to me how much stupid thinking out there is on race.

It really does bring a tear to my eye when I read so many people use the term mixed race and 20 percent this and 5 percent that. I am white guy I am not white becasue I am part of a pure race I am white because I have a european apparance.

When I hear the words mixed and race it makes me think hitler must be looking up from hell laughting when you call someone mixed race you are by default saying you belive in pure races and that is a Nazi myth.

I am sick of labeling mixed race women as black at the expense of our homegrown beauties. Sanaa Lathan is of mixed race. Not black. Nor is Naomi Campbell, Beyonce, Rhianna etc etc.!

Black is Black. Most blacks who forefathers came from the slave trade here in America are mixed. The mixture would include white,Native indian and african.

I should know Iam a black American. Born and raised. Most people mistake me for a black chinese! American woman looks are extremely diversed.

We come in different shapes from bigg but and shoet to tall and slender light dark and everything in between.

Anyway,Black people are extremely diversed my hair has two different textures,While my brother has hair like a arab.

My sister has red hair while the other one has blonde. Do you get my drift? All of this Iam two thirds black and a quater european is crazy.

None of us are pure blooded. And Mixing is nothing new it has been going on since Ancient Eygpt. You Can tell either by Certain Characteristics,discrimination or whatever.

Before that we were colored,niggers, negroid,negro,burntface Ethiopeans by the Greeks. Moores,and the different names go on and on.

So please get over it. Stop trying to split black up you are a whole person. Your just identifying with a culture or a group that share social,psycological etc.

Many italians , portuguese , french, and spaniards are not really pure white , most of them have african ancestry. There is so much black people in those countries and other part of europe , but there is a history about the southern europeans and africans , because it is so close to africa , and that is why so many have olive skin.

They look totaly differnt then the nordics , even a mixed nordic looks more whiter then a southern european, i wondered why no body notice that.

Yes ,in america those brazilian women will be consider black , because of the one drop rule. Not even notht africans are consider black and many even the whites looking north african who is a descendant of the original black moors are consider white , i guess because the white racist people want the credit of the civilization of the black arabs , the white ones were immigrants in north africa and they too stole the history of the original blak arabs, it is pure jealousy.

I am mixed too , black is beautiful , any way. I agree: Mediterranean people do look markedly blacker than the people of northern Europe.

It is more than just their skin colour too. I have visited Salvador, Bahia, Brasil on many occasions and it is quite common to see siblings born of the same parents who range from dark with kinky hair to white with straighter hair.

When I first saw Ildi I thought she was Italian, Greek or Portuguese because the only pics I saw of her were the ones with the lightened skin and straightened hair.

Those women are beautiful. Thanks for making a post for these beautiful black Brazilian women. I especially love the music and the dance.

For other commenters discussing blackness, to understand how to really know who is black and who is not I suggest you guys read Blackroots Science.

Just google it. Look for it on scribd. Blond fellow and i really was impressed about these beautifull black brazilian ladies. My favorite of these models is Rojane Fradique.

Dear me how beautifull she is. So wonderfull charming features, beautifull color of skin and other features.

Hi everybody. Let me tell you about my affair with the most beautiful Brazilian woman I have ever met, her name was Tatiana Gomes and I met her in Canberra.

I still remember that it was our second date where she took me to her house and we had sex. Tatiana, I love you for ever.

Im not hating all im saying is they do NOT look like black women. Brazil is a racist nation, worse than America. Its entertainment and modelling industries favour white women and, in some cases, light-skinned women.

There has been only one black Miss Brazil and she was light-skinned what Brazilians regard as mixed, not black :.

Rojane Fradique is an excellent example of what I am talking about: every single Brazilian modelling agency she applied to told her no. It was only through a foreign model agency, Elite, that she broke into modelling.

As racist as the world fashion industry is, Brazil is even worse. I asked her if color influences class. She maintained that she finds the U.

One of my best friend is brasilian a big community lives in Switzerland and she thinks quiet the opposite of your friend. As she said to me, your experience of racism depends of how you look black,mixed, white etc… and where you live flavelas….

Lynette Says: The beauty of Black women is that we are so physically diverse. I am happy that Abagond shows an array of Black beauty. I would be more insulted if he showed us as physically homogeneous.

I agree with you in certain way but I always find disturbing by the fact that some are seen like beautiful black women when they have more in common with white women than black women.

See your Brazilian is either most honest or more informed. What would her racial classification be in Brazil? Perhaps, that informs her view of national racism.

Since Brazil does not have the One Drop Rule they are not even seen as black but as mixed. Unlike America, white women did not come in huge numbers till the late s.

Most white Portuguese men probably thought they would go to Brazil, make their fortune and come back home to Portugal. But as we know it rarely turns out that way, so most of them wound up settling down there, many of them taking a black or native wife.

With all respect, Abagond, that above statement is grossly incorrect. Where did you get that figure?

And will let you know that they were treated as such in Brazil. I am assuming that most pardos are lighter skinned than most negras. Adriana Lima has been on and off this list, so her blackness is a matter of debate.

But by blood she is part black. Brazillian people are Biracial black people. They are even more diluted then the black american. They look more white then anything else.

I believe black beauty consist of full lips, broad flat nose, large, almond shape eyes, and cheep bones.

If he is even black. Because this is the reflection of the average american black man, black women are truly screwed!!!!

OK, so now I realize where you got that flawed notion. Perhaps that has to do with the liberal attitude that the Portuguese and Spainard slave masters had that contributes to the heavily mixed society that comprises Brazil and other Latin countries.

Also remember that even if the likes of Will, Oprah, Q, etc. Nubiah See your Brazilian is either most honest or more informed. My friend is a pardo as well but looks like the average black woman or like someone from Angola or Congo when you know the story of black Brasilians, you can understand why!

I also think some people included ABA no offence , think and beleive the Brasil is like the fake postal card, they are selling to the Western World.

Many Brazilians played on the tennis team at my college alma mata, for instance. They all were as European as a white Anglo. Black Brazilians are basically Angolans and Congolese.

Just like Jamaicans are mostly Ghanaians. Haitians are mostly Beninese. Black Americans from the Carolinas can usually trace back to Sierra Leone.

Same ship. Different trip. Western blacks are all directly connected. Language and different slavery tatics are the only thing that seperates.

The funny thing when I watch a movie with a black cast non-African , I am always trying to guess where they come from, I mean with the phenotypes I can say which country or tribe they come from.

With black Americans, it can get interesting because many look like a variety of African ethnicities! I wanted to know what source book, website, academic study, etc.

Way too many to list on a simple website such as yourself. Way too many to list on a simple website such as this one. There is one website, raceandstuff, that dealt with all of that racial anthropology stuff.

They can also back up the facts of the specific West and Central African origins of western blacks. Having many friends coming from a different variety of countries in Africa and also due a lot of travelling , all blacks non African I see on TV always remind me someone.

I always thought the Mowry twins, Tia and Tamara, could pass for Ethiopian. I think the main point is that most Brazilians eschew static and binary concepts of race.

This is quite common here. So while, yeah, mixed Brazilians are also black, very few Brazilians will cast themselves as exclusively and always black.

The only good looking ones are Ildi Silva and Adriana Lima…and they are hardly black. You must put Derek Jeter to shame.

Id like to submit two woman from this video: Elza Soares and Edi Machado. There are really good examples of the range of colors of black Brazilian women in the dancing scenes with the passistas.

Hey, I am white. At no time in Brazil did anyone ever consider me to be anything other than white. Had I been in the South during segregation, I probably would have been considered Black.

Ever hear of Sandra Laing? I hate it. But you know what? Its a reality and I have to live with it. But I try to be a part of the solution and not a part of the problem.

Hi, I was reading the comments on your opinion on black brazilians and non black brazilians. Well I, myself, went to college for 5 very long years and now I am a 9th grade global studies teacher.

And right now we are talking about brazil. My students had the same opinion as you all did. The whole beliefe that there are black brazilians and that brazilians are not black.

I think its silly, really. The real fact on this topic is that there are black people in brazil. Brazil is made up of a mixed race, the people who live there are European, African and Amerindian ancestry.

Just like America, Brazil had slavery to. So yes there are black people in Brazil. Like African American, they are considered African Brazilian.

Hope I helped. Interesting; One thing I liked and still like about Brazil was the defiance against ancestral segregation. But now its seems like deceivers have come into corrupt something good.

As much as these people want to promote independance from a segratory system the feed it through there own agendas. They say claim your African Heritage as a way to show that they are somebody or feel like they stand for the least desirable ancestry.

Who says its least desirable. To me unless there is some personal feelings of insercurity about you skin tone then who cares!

Stop with this obsessive africaness; I reading kast talking about african features this or that thats so bogus. You think them people were born through the sweat and pain of only there african ancestors NO!

If one is going to start a movement against oppression started with truth. In this way you wont promote divison and insecurities in people.

Are you more proud of your Ggggg-grandfather or your father. Are you eating food that your Gggggg-grasnd ma made or your mother.

Be real man! This is the same stupidity that was pulled on the oppressed by the oppressor. But really who cares are you not happy with your skin dark or light.

I was born in South Africa both parents are black african zulu and sotho tribes even my grandparents both sides are black.

He changed his name and surname to a white man and he got his ID book. I get lesser salary because of my skin color and my funny and surname according to them.

According to South african constitution when you talk about black i. So if this list was made by a south african it would be similar to the above list with Indians and Chinese.

Like the Dominicans who hate their hair and Haitians and call themselves 50 thousand other things BUT black! Mixed is Black Plus!

I think that Lisa and Lola are the same person! I came across this site by accident and unfortunately, too many of your contributors have an extremely narrow view of race.

Coming from the Caribbean which in some instances lik Brazil has a long history of various ethnic groups coming together to form a wonderful melting pot.

I have been raised as black, however, that is largely based upon the predominant race in my genes and my cultural experiences.

My ethnic background is negro, chinese, caucasian, european spanish. I am the darkest of my siblings with the straightest hair Does that make me more or less black than them.

In my family we range from the blackest black to the lightest brown and i am also married to a caucasian man who has 7 generations in a caribbean island.

I agree that the mainstream media still appears to be afraid to identify darker skinned people as beautiful which is wrong and must change, but the proportionate response is not to deny blacks of lighter complexion a stake in their heritage as blacks.

Not only should we strive to exterminate racism but i think amongs the black community, colourism is equally as damaging Black is beautiful, no matter what shade of black you are.

Out nativist, nationalist ideologues such as Joilson, above , have been brainwashed from childhood on that Brazil has no race and has no racism: we are just a generic, golden, evenly blended people who would never, ever discriminate on the basis of color.

In this case, white supremacy was read and utilized by white elites in two completely different ways, resulting in two completely different — but wholly racist — social systems.

The U. Likewise, the types of racists you get are different. In the States, white racists generally are still horrified by the notion of race-mixing.

Two entirely different systems and emotionalities tied up with race, both based on the core notion of white supremacy. Anglos would thus be advised to READ a lot about Brazil before attempting to force the country — and its racisms — into an American straight jacket.

Are they white? Personally, I view them as women of the Americas. Only countries of the Western Hemisphere, Brazil in particular, produce individuals who look like that in large numbers.

It is the fusion of European, African, and Amerindian ancestries that makes them what they are. Alice Braga has been in a lot of films, both Brazilian and American much like her famous aunt.

Classic Sonia Braga:. These women are beautiful but to say that they are beautiful black women is a bit unfair. I would say most if not all are Hispanic Black not Black White.

The fact that people are arguing whether they are black and white only proves that they consider their Hispanic ancestry unnecessary.

Because there were different groups there,having to identify them by their individual names would be arduous which is why i use Hispanic here as an umbrella term.

Although many died from European diseases a larger number survived and most likely assimilated into black society and vice versa.

Lisa are you just dumb or stupid? And what the hell are negroid features? Black women come in all colors, shapes and sizes and are some of the most beautiful women to roam the earth!

Some of these arguments are simply crazy!!! Some call themselves black and others say they are white. Hello everyone!!! I was web surfing about vacation locations, one of them being Brazil, and by chance, I came across this site and topic.

I felt compelled to respond. All of these women are truly beautiful, and I am not here to dispute that, however, I think that the problem is not because these women are beautiful, but because often what is considered beautiful, are women with predominately European features.

There is beauty in all races, shapes and sizes. It seems unfair that women of ethnicity seem to be considered beautiful when their features resemble their European counterparts.

Women of any specified ethnic group whether Black Brazilian, African American, Asian, Native American, Latino, Indian, etc, should not have to look very European, in order to be considered a beautiful representation of their ethnic group.

However, I have learned not to take it personally. People of color may unconsciously and repeatedly perpetuate these standards, because this is what we were taught.

However instead of us getting angry about it, these beauty standards , we just have to acknowledge that and take pride in our beauty instead of trying to assimilate to fit a standard that is not a fair representation of women of diverse beauty and ethnicity.

Stay Strong and Stay Blessed. Sincerely, chocolate I think I would have simply played it safe and named this post The most beautiful Brazilian women of African descent.

So, for black men who are in that devalued race to subscribe to that same subjective notion indicates that they lack racial pride and are the same as the racists of other groups in that way.

Subscribing to it causes real life damage to many black women who have that feature set, that they cannot change. Everyone can discern that the Kanagawa guy is not talking about bw of certain other closer to Euro phenotypes.

We are talking about personal, subjective preferences here. Before we move on to the debate I would like to understand your views a little more by asking you some questions….

What is racial pride? Why do we need to have it? Is it racist for a white person to be proud of their race? Why or why not? Is it really necessary for every black person to live their life based on historical perspectives?

Is it racist for a non-blk person to not be attracted to blacks? Do you believe race is social or biological?

I have to say that I think grown Black people sound pathetic when they lean on that what we were taught crutch. Black people are not helpless pawns who cannot change their thinking, as some Black people seem to think.

That sets the black race or group back because these women are not doing anything wrong or hindering the race with their behavior or anything of the such.

Yet they get rejected by Black men simply on the basis of their Black phenotype. All of these women of any race pictured are subjectively beautiful in their way, and so are the Black women who have the phenotype you described.

However instead of us getting angry about it, these beauty standards , we just have to acknowledge that and take pride in our beauty instead of trying to assimilate.

You cannot separate preferences from the damage they cause because these preferences are played out in real life. You are also a liability to the whole group.

I read where some Black men on here have brought up that some women are more appealing to men when the women have clear skin, healthy looking hair, youthful, look more fertile, look healthier, but all of that goes out of the window when the Black woman has that classic phenotype.

They still strongly reject her. And how do these preference hurt people? What damage is caused if personality traits are not being attributed to this classical phenotype?

Are you going to answer my questions on your views of racial pride? This might explain why some women are perceived as unattractive despite being physically beautiful:.

Quite a few of those truly prefer the Fantasia look. Jorbia the women have clear skin, healthy looking hair, youthful, look more fertile, look healthier, but all of that goes out of the window when the Black woman has that classic phenotype.

However, there is some truth to it. What you perceive here is a classic example of an intrinsic human drive to follow societal norms.

Every society or group has these cultural norms, and their always really sticky. Take smoking for example.

People just follow the norm and for a long time that meant being a smoker. A lot of those norms seem to be negative and self-sabotaging.

Many people are raised to love certain foods. As they get older, and out into the world, they find that those foods are too salty and fatty.

They may also be low in nutritional content, and unhealthy in other many ways. You need it because of your own self-pride.

You came from a smaller group within the larger human group or a very large family of sorts. An offshoot of group-pride is self-pride.

More group pride gives you more self-pride. Many of them have their self-pride rooted in their group pride. Some American Blacks of today are sadly lacking in group pride.

That impacts their self-pride in a negative way. This is why when they get money or influence, they will quickly give it to other groups or share it with others while their own group members go lacking.

They lack enough group pride to even find a reasonable way for their own group to benefit. I think that their group health or lack of it should be the 1 topic for American Blacks to discuss.

Instead, most of them avoid that by constantly talking about Whites. I expect for American White men to believe White women are beautiful.

History has a long life. This is why many of you Black men here continue to complain about how the white system devalues or mistreats you.

History lives today. If we look at history, the groups of people we see today exist for a reason. Many people inside groups have been taught not to be attracted to people in other groups in order to conserve group resources for those within the family or group.

If those within a group who had the most resources had gone and spread their resources to others in all other groups, most likely no group would have survived.

These 2 men are simply Euro looking black men. I disagree with you on almost everything though. I guess I take a more liberal approach to life.

You know, the live and let live approach. I believe that it can be beneficial for blacks to come together bc of racism , however, I see it as more of an optional type thing.

Also, I only believe it is only beneficial for us to come together for economic reasons. Everything else is unimportant.

In fact, I believe that is a racist belief. It confines ppl to boxes based on their looks and takes away from their individuality.

When it comes to group affiliations, race is not the only group in the world. You can be proud of being Christian, being American, being a rocker, etc.

Race is just one aspect in the world. In fact, I think that is a stupid idea. As far as what people find attractive. I feel like everybody has a right to their preferences no matter what race they belong to.

I call these ppl sheeple. This is especially true when it comes to the need for them to shift something inside of them to change their ways.

The cultural norms of American Blacks are very different than the cultural norms of just about any other group in the U.

Maybe this is why so many other groups in the world are so far ahead of Black groups or Black American group.

No one person can ever just stand alone for long. Well racism for one! Many of our negative cultural traits effect not only us but other American groups as well.

I would be interested if anyone else can name anything though. Not for WP as a whole. Also, are you black? Some of you Black men here seem to want to give the impression that American Black women are just mean and nasty as if American Black women have loose screws and enjoy being mean and nasty for no good reason.

There are some Black men and white men here who send out positive vibes about Black women. I genuinely believe they view Black women in a healthy way, so my response to them would be very different.

Jas0nburns Many of our negative cultural traits effect not only us but other American groups as well. I really hope you are not referring to the poor school performance of blacks bc I can tell you that white racism IS NOT responsible for the achievement gap one bit.

Well racism for one. If not for racism, whites would have simply blended into the masses of the billions on earth. I was saying that both American whites and blacks do poorly in school compared to other developed nations.

So poor school performance effects whites but not just whites. But to say that white racism is not responsible one bit is false. I just listed racism as a reason.

That is what I was saying. A black person having their individual preferences, like for white women for example, are not damaging the community.

I tend to focus on the damage it causes us. Definitely it has bestowed advantages and privileges but I think it has also caused us considerable damage as a group.

It causes us to lie to ourselves which is a bad thing. Yeah, but b4 I leave that topic alone I want to say one thing. The point is that in this day and age white racism is not perpetuating it one bit.

So take your pick because there is no 3rd option. No, there are more options than that. Its possible that black people inherited an anti-intellectual culture that was developed in Africa.

From the outset, they carefully kept it among themselves by automatically marrying inside the white group for generations whereas Black men tend to spread a large portion of their wealth instantly into other groups.

Look at the Black American man food billionaire who married an Asian woman. When he died, it went to her and their children, but naturally, her Asian ethnic group benefited a lot from his money.

It would be interesting to see how much of his hundreds of millions found their way into American Black hands. This has been repeated many times and is the standard way many Black wealthy men operate.

These days, some white very rich men do marry into other groups, but whites no longer need to worry about hanging onto white wealth and power position in the world.

Whites already have a stronghold on wealth and power in the world. My nationality is American Black, but I ditto the part about ideology differences which may be due to my having attended school and living in another country with my American Black parents during my formative years.

I came back here to go to university. No more, no less. They have the same essential human qualities as anyone else.

Furthermore, this should not lead to complacency. Quite the contrary. An understanding of human nature and the power of cultural norms should empower blacks by revealing the true nature of these internal issues.

Part of the problem is that blacks have been made to feel that they are essentially different in some way. I should note that this is just an observation.

For ex. I think that if you and any other American Black man prefers to be with any kind of woman, you should just go and be with her.

Stop trying to make us American Black women out to be these supposed mean and nasty women who are mean and nasty for no good reason.

Yes, and it does sound quite patronizing. What I was trying to say is that people everyone seems to expect a special solution for blacks.

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What damage is caused if personality traits are not being attributed to this classical phenotype? Are you going to answer my questions on your views of racial pride?

This might explain why some women are perceived as unattractive despite being physically beautiful:. Quite a few of those truly prefer the Fantasia look.

Jorbia the women have clear skin, healthy looking hair, youthful, look more fertile, look healthier, but all of that goes out of the window when the Black woman has that classic phenotype.

However, there is some truth to it. What you perceive here is a classic example of an intrinsic human drive to follow societal norms. Every society or group has these cultural norms, and their always really sticky.

Take smoking for example. People just follow the norm and for a long time that meant being a smoker. A lot of those norms seem to be negative and self-sabotaging.

Many people are raised to love certain foods. As they get older, and out into the world, they find that those foods are too salty and fatty.

They may also be low in nutritional content, and unhealthy in other many ways. You need it because of your own self-pride. You came from a smaller group within the larger human group or a very large family of sorts.

An offshoot of group-pride is self-pride. More group pride gives you more self-pride. Many of them have their self-pride rooted in their group pride.

Some American Blacks of today are sadly lacking in group pride. That impacts their self-pride in a negative way.

This is why when they get money or influence, they will quickly give it to other groups or share it with others while their own group members go lacking.

They lack enough group pride to even find a reasonable way for their own group to benefit. I think that their group health or lack of it should be the 1 topic for American Blacks to discuss.

Instead, most of them avoid that by constantly talking about Whites. I expect for American White men to believe White women are beautiful.

History has a long life. This is why many of you Black men here continue to complain about how the white system devalues or mistreats you.

History lives today. If we look at history, the groups of people we see today exist for a reason. Many people inside groups have been taught not to be attracted to people in other groups in order to conserve group resources for those within the family or group.

If those within a group who had the most resources had gone and spread their resources to others in all other groups, most likely no group would have survived.

These 2 men are simply Euro looking black men. I disagree with you on almost everything though. I guess I take a more liberal approach to life.

You know, the live and let live approach. I believe that it can be beneficial for blacks to come together bc of racism , however, I see it as more of an optional type thing.

Also, I only believe it is only beneficial for us to come together for economic reasons. Everything else is unimportant. In fact, I believe that is a racist belief.

It confines ppl to boxes based on their looks and takes away from their individuality. When it comes to group affiliations, race is not the only group in the world.

You can be proud of being Christian, being American, being a rocker, etc. Race is just one aspect in the world. In fact, I think that is a stupid idea.

As far as what people find attractive. I feel like everybody has a right to their preferences no matter what race they belong to.

I call these ppl sheeple. This is especially true when it comes to the need for them to shift something inside of them to change their ways.

The cultural norms of American Blacks are very different than the cultural norms of just about any other group in the U.

Maybe this is why so many other groups in the world are so far ahead of Black groups or Black American group. No one person can ever just stand alone for long.

Well racism for one! Many of our negative cultural traits effect not only us but other American groups as well. I would be interested if anyone else can name anything though.

Not for WP as a whole. Also, are you black? Some of you Black men here seem to want to give the impression that American Black women are just mean and nasty as if American Black women have loose screws and enjoy being mean and nasty for no good reason.

There are some Black men and white men here who send out positive vibes about Black women. I genuinely believe they view Black women in a healthy way, so my response to them would be very different.

Jas0nburns Many of our negative cultural traits effect not only us but other American groups as well. I really hope you are not referring to the poor school performance of blacks bc I can tell you that white racism IS NOT responsible for the achievement gap one bit.

Well racism for one. If not for racism, whites would have simply blended into the masses of the billions on earth. I was saying that both American whites and blacks do poorly in school compared to other developed nations.

So poor school performance effects whites but not just whites. But to say that white racism is not responsible one bit is false. I just listed racism as a reason.

That is what I was saying. A black person having their individual preferences, like for white women for example, are not damaging the community.

I tend to focus on the damage it causes us. Definitely it has bestowed advantages and privileges but I think it has also caused us considerable damage as a group.

It causes us to lie to ourselves which is a bad thing. Yeah, but b4 I leave that topic alone I want to say one thing.

The point is that in this day and age white racism is not perpetuating it one bit. So take your pick because there is no 3rd option. No, there are more options than that.

Its possible that black people inherited an anti-intellectual culture that was developed in Africa. From the outset, they carefully kept it among themselves by automatically marrying inside the white group for generations whereas Black men tend to spread a large portion of their wealth instantly into other groups.

Look at the Black American man food billionaire who married an Asian woman. When he died, it went to her and their children, but naturally, her Asian ethnic group benefited a lot from his money.

It would be interesting to see how much of his hundreds of millions found their way into American Black hands. This has been repeated many times and is the standard way many Black wealthy men operate.

These days, some white very rich men do marry into other groups, but whites no longer need to worry about hanging onto white wealth and power position in the world.

Whites already have a stronghold on wealth and power in the world. My nationality is American Black, but I ditto the part about ideology differences which may be due to my having attended school and living in another country with my American Black parents during my formative years.

I came back here to go to university. No more, no less. They have the same essential human qualities as anyone else. Furthermore, this should not lead to complacency.

Quite the contrary. An understanding of human nature and the power of cultural norms should empower blacks by revealing the true nature of these internal issues.

Part of the problem is that blacks have been made to feel that they are essentially different in some way. I should note that this is just an observation.

For ex. I think that if you and any other American Black man prefers to be with any kind of woman, you should just go and be with her.

Stop trying to make us American Black women out to be these supposed mean and nasty women who are mean and nasty for no good reason. Yes, and it does sound quite patronizing.

What I was trying to say is that people everyone seems to expect a special solution for blacks. Like American blacks are expected to perform a superhuman feat and somehow overcome this crazy hamstringing they took back in the day.

No group of human beings could just snap their fingers and get over that. Why should blacks be expected to perform differently or better than whites have historically performed, is what I should have said.

They are normal. So that got me down the patronizing bit. I do know that many people have tried to make them feel less than human, and it does seem like a certain percentage have bought into that.

Jas0nburns I mean it is possible. Its common knowledge their are more black folks who grew up in a lower SES. Whether he is black, white, or yellow.

As far as compared to Europe or Asia. But there is no significant anti-intellectual culture In West Africa that would have been passed down.

I think we have all heard about the positive selection of immigrants. Economically speaking, the vast majority of blacks and whites have more in common with one another than either of us do with rich elites.

Of any race. By resenting each other we are just playing ourselves. Why not just leave BW alone completely. You obviously view BW in a negative way.

Why continue to bother yourself. Fair enough. So, what are the steps that we should take? I mean beyond recognition of the problem.

So whats the prevalence of this anti intellectualism stuff anyway. I know that a pretty big chunk of the white population is AI, but does anyone know if the percentage of blacks who think getting good grades is lame has increased or decreased since civil rights?

Stayed steady? Not telling. I jus gave a suggestion. I look at character. I stay 1, ft away from women, of any race, that have attitudes or other negative personality traits.

This is an example of Oprah doing something to help another group. Oprah is an individual and she has the right to circulate her hard earned money in whichever networks she wants.

You were starting to sound like an old white segregationist pre-Civil rights. So, does this mean you are going to stop demonizing guys that prefer Euro or non-black features?

King So, what are the steps that we should take? My reply is currently in moderation. You misunderstood me all along. Post a comment where I said I was against American Black men being with any woman they want.

You want to be able to do what you want to do when you want to do it, any kind of way you want to do it, but you still want people to respect you.

This is just one thing that American Black men do that works against you. I live in a predominantly black neighborhood.

Quit media blaming. My opinions are based on years of personal experience, not rarities or isolated incidents.

Or you blame it on those Black women with that feature set and claim something else is wrong with them. I have blamed a significant number of bw for their high marriage rates though.

What would you rather me do, blame the media? Black men? Everybody else, but black women? Why does it matter to you so much what I think?

I am just here to expose the myths and lies you repeat daily. Ppl will co-sign you bc you get to play the race card blacks are seen as victims and the gender card women are seen as victims.

I am just here to make sure the ppl who come across your comments get an alternate perspective to your black woman-victim, black man-oppressor meme.

Either that or IR relationships, which if you think about it, can be seen as the same argument as the former. Lol such emotional, illogical thinking.

And know you see why I called you a hypocrite Jorbia. This is a comment being made from a woman, who has gone online multiple times to boast about dating white men seriously who does that?

IR dating is not some hobby. That Camila Pitanga woman confuses the hell out of me. What race is she considered?

An old picture of her Mother:. Her father and brother:. All I did was say I date white men. Trying to act cool?

Why are you so afraid of my words? YOU wrote them, not me,. You flatter me. Your denials of what I say will not erase their memory or change reality.

Your responses seem to be getting a tad bit lazy Jorbia.. As if? I make statements, but when you interpret them, you reveal your mind.

Black men AND Black women on my campus who date anyone date people of other races. When you mention it a million times as if it is something special, then yea, it comes off as boasting.

I have not mentioned anything a million times. You read my words and become afraid and feel you must do what you can to prevent people from agreeing with me.

You said you do that. So afraid of my words? So, let the record show that YOU asked me about this. Let me mention that one of the 4 features mentioned in the phenotype by that poster was kinky hair.

My question would be why does a dark-skinned Black woman with the other 3 features in that phenotype have to look like a supermodel to be preferred over Kirstie Alley by most American Black men?

They are no different than most black girls in the states when it comes to hair, so their is no point in bringing it up.

Again, no difference. Black girls perm their own damn hair. How can you talk about BM being pathetic for allegedly caving to European beauty standards when so many bw do the same?

Are they not equally pathetic? As usual, a lot of money, time, and professional makeup artistry were spent to get these supermodels to look like supermodels.

Yet, you put up those 2 supermodels as the types of dark-skinned women that other dark skinned BW have to aim to look like in order to outcompete a Kirstie Alley looking White woman for the attentions of a Black man.

YOU have proven my point, exactly. If she spends a lot of money to try to look like these 2 supermodels, many Black men then criticize her for being materialistic or for spending a lot of money on makeup, permed hair, and clothes.

Some dark skinned Black women with that feature set actually want to attract Black men. You have presented anyone reading this the proof of how the deck is stacked against dark-skinned Black women with those 4 features when it comes to Black men.

Many Black men think the exact same way you do and plenty of people know this, including Black women.

So, of course, many of those Black women are going to perm their hair. Jorbia Okay you said a lot of really dumb make belief stuff from Jorbialand in those comments, so let me just ask some questions….

Like did you make that up off the top of your head? Do they look too European to you? Okay you said a lot of really dumb make belief stuff from Jorbialand in those comments, so let me just ask some questions….

Can you? Is this an interview? Be a man and control yourself! Most people might want to be millionaires too. You have poor reading comprehension.

I said IF a dark-skinned woman spends a pile of time, energy, and money on her makeup, permed hair, clothes, she would be labeled materialistic by many American Black men.

Many women want to appeal to the men in their group. Who is the real oppressor here? Any man who rejects a woman for simply looking like herself is not worth anything.

Proof, please! All I can say is that when I walk out the house the overwhelming majority of the bw are not natural. Does that not represent your reality?

Please stop putting words in my mouth. Is this a phenomena you have witnessed many times in your life? Are there many dark skin women who avoid doing those things to avoid the stigma?

Here is the point I was trying to make…. This girl is a model, but I have seen every day girls who are similarly done up not talking about clothing, or lack thereof.

Kirstie Alley is about 60 years old. That 2nd picture of her that you posted looks like one of her when she was much younger.

Those Nigerian models ARE younger. I wondered why you would have BW who were young enough to be her daughters or even granddaughters in some cases these days in this virtual dating competition with her for Black men.

I repeat what I said before. Black men need to go and get whichever woman they want and be happy. You can split hairs all you want.

She concentrated on ALL 4 features and my statements were based on the phenotype of all 4 features.

We can have comments here about that one phenotype and nothing will change. I had no idea Kirstie Alley was that old. Either way I am not talking about those examples specifically.

Its all about the looks they represent. I maintain the point I was attempting to convey. Do you know what a black women looks like?

Lol okay Jorbia. No wonder you hold so many strange beliefs. Only someone you consumes hard drugs would relate to the delusion you live in.

Lol Good day. That last comment of yours just made every point I was trying to make. You keep sticking straight haired women up.

So, this is a straw man and you know it. Name-calling is the last defense of someone who has lost the debate.

Hello Again!!! Sadly there is a disproportionate representation of women of color that have these features, on the cover of widely popular magazines, music videos, beauty pageants, etc.

Take Care and Stay Blessed. Black women come in different shades the same way white Italians look different from Swedish blondes I mean come on.

I am Nigerian and people have thought I was all sorts. Like Tyra Banks is full black but everyone thinks she is mixed, when her brother is dark like Nick Cannon.

Like think duh! The black women complaining may be internet racists or white women or white men in disguise. Those pictures are exactly what black women look like and black in the carribean, brazil, africa and America.

I think people are mad to see beautiful black women. It makes them mad because black women are supposed to be ugly.

Black women really have the best festures and bodies, even thick hair, etc. I think the mix up here is that officially there is only two races in America White and Black.

Even the broad nose and full lips can not be claimed as only an Afro feature since the Asians, and Indian natives also have it.

What really leave only one single sureness of Afro descend-ency, The Hair! The reason why you see so many white skinned people with crinkle coarse hair is that they have the famous drop in their blood,.

She was truly a exemplar of black beautiful Brazilian women. There are on three races and the rest are ethnicities.

There is black rack, white and asian indians are in the asian race. Brasilians are a beautiful mixture of all these races and to me it is their culture that makes them beautiful people not their look.

I have seen women in America who look exactly like these women especially in Texas and Louisiana. Vanda Passos is percent correct in saying that indians have the same broad nose and facial features as black people do.

But is percent wrong in saying that HAIR is an indicates black blood. I know white people who have ridiculously coarse hair. Stop your nonsense.

This is an archaic way to look at race, so please stop trying to apply it. I understand the point Lola and Lisa are making. But, people need to understand.

As non-mixed race, dark skin black women, we are frustrated. How many times can the media choose Mariah Carey to represent us?

Rihanna is 3-shades lighter than the typical Bajan. Every time I hear them talk about plucking Rihanna from obscurity for stardom, I cringe.

The women on the list are part black, but not really black. Adriana Lima is beautiful but should not be called black. Another way of looking at it.

Imagine if a red apple is chosen to represent green apples at a showcase designed to deal with the under-representation of green apples. Too light for my liking where are the darker blackwomen?!?!?

I applaud all of these woman.. This has been a fascinating read, a little depressing, but fascinating. By the end I was wondering what would have happened if this blog had been about beautiful white Brazilian women.

I also find it interesting that if you google beautiful women images nearly all the images that come up are those that few would have difficulty classifying as white women.

It is an interesting search, particularly if you then google beautiful women of X country. I find this tread fascinating, because frankly most science these days is leaning towards the idea that race is really not a biological construct, but a social one.

Perhaps that is why putting people in specific racial categories visually is so difficult, and yes it is equally difficult at a genetic level.

Thing about this, there is more genetic variability within racial groups, than there is between them. Based on US slave classifications blacks could range phenotypically from pure white, to pure black, an awfully broad range for any scientific classification, and this range of course was based on dubious genetics.

I think my only issue with this article, is that I am considered a black woman here in the states and in most European countries, based only on the color of my skin.

Does it matter? Is one kind of beauty really better than another? What about Thais Araujo? Please stay us informed like this. Her great granfather was half spanish white and half black.

Her parents look somewhat light skin black! Yet she looks very pale like a tea color with lots of milk in it,she has golden brown eyes with almost brown red hair which is almost straight.

He nose is not black or white. She is mostly black despite her appearance. There are so many Black Brazilian women and some of them in this list like Adriana Lima and Ildi Silva are mixed women,they do not represent the real beauty of black Brazilian women!

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